Comments on: The Plaited Braid http://www.plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/2008/07/03/the-plaited-braid/ The blog for Plimoth Plantation's 17 Century embroidered jacket project. Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:44:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: tricia Wilson http://www.plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/2008/07/03/the-plaited-braid/comment-page-1/#comment-1801 tricia Wilson Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:28:35 +0000 http://www.plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/2008/07/03/the-plaited-braid/#comment-1801 thank you very much for the comments about nailbinding. I had actually been looking at finger braiding and other braiding with exactly that thought on mind. I have been ruminating about where and when that leap to complex gold on cloth happened. I totally agree that the origins must be from some earlier point - especially for these braid stitches. The bonus is that I read your comments today after arriving in Stockholm. I will specifically look at the wonderful Nordic museum for clues this week - I know exactly where to go! The hunt is on! Tricia thank you very much for the comments about nailbinding. I had actually been looking at finger braiding and other braiding with exactly that thought on mind. I have been ruminating about where and when that
leap to complex gold on cloth happened. I totally agree that the origins must be from some earlier point – especially for these braid stitches. The bonus is that I read your comments today after arriving in Stockholm. I will specifically look at the wonderful Nordic museum for clues this week – I know exactly where to go! The hunt is on!

Tricia

]]> By: Kandy Fling http://www.plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/2008/07/03/the-plaited-braid/comment-page-1/#comment-1792 Kandy Fling Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:53:58 +0000 http://www.plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/2008/07/03/the-plaited-braid/#comment-1792 Another thing that is similar to nalbinding, in its working and structure, is Viking wire weaving. Both it and nalbinding, however, have a tubular structure, while the braid stitches are more of a back and forth structure. The looping is similar, though. Another thing that is similar to nalbinding, in its working and structure, is Viking wire weaving. Both it and nalbinding, however, have a tubular structure, while the braid stitches are more of a back and forth structure. The looping is similar, though.

]]> By: Lily http://www.plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/2008/07/03/the-plaited-braid/comment-page-1/#comment-1791 Lily Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:42:36 +0000 http://www.plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/2008/07/03/the-plaited-braid/#comment-1791 It would be very interesting to have an experienced nalbinder look at the various braid stitches, because to my not very knowledgeable eye, these look almost like nalbinding sewn down instead of run in rows to make a knitted-like fabric. As I've learned recently from research online, nalbinding/naalbindning/needlebinding is an old form of non-woven fabric, made with a length of thread/yarn on a needle, which doesn't ravel like knitting or crochet. Some stitches look very much like braid, while others look more like crochet and knitting. And in case anyone doubts that people come up with the same solutions again and again in different places, I "invented" button hole stitch nalbinding while trying to replicate knitting from memory when I was six or seven. I was very frustrated to figure out that I had to keep cutting new threads which was not what I remembered about knitting, and gave it up after two rows, but it was a very odd feeling to come across instructions for it 40 yrs later. It looked just like the detached button hole embroidery stitch, very loose in my experiment, done tightly in the centuries old stocking example, and medium tension but teeny tiny in the petals and leaves here. Imagine if one of the petals usually done here slightly floating above the fabric, was instead totally unattached. That close connection is partly what started me wondering about the braid stitch being connected to nalbinding in the first place. I wonder who thought "hey, lets stitch it right onto the fabric, instead of making braid normally and then stitching that down onto the fabric!" Well, I doubt any of this is helpful, but I thought some of you might be entertained to see where my thoughts wandered while looking at the photos of the lovely stitch testing here. love, Lily It would be very interesting to have an experienced nalbinder look at the various braid stitches, because to my not very knowledgeable eye, these look almost like nalbinding sewn down instead of run in rows to make a knitted-like fabric.

As I’ve learned recently from research online, nalbinding/naalbindning/needlebinding is an old form of non-woven fabric, made with a length of thread/yarn on a needle, which doesn’t ravel like knitting or crochet. Some stitches look very much like braid, while others look more like crochet and knitting.

And in case anyone doubts that people come up with the same solutions again and again in different places, I “invented” button hole stitch nalbinding while trying to replicate knitting from memory when I was six or seven. I was very frustrated to figure out that I had to keep cutting new threads which was not what I remembered about knitting, and gave it up after two rows, but it was a very odd feeling to come across instructions for it 40 yrs later.

It looked just like the detached button hole embroidery stitch, very loose in my experiment, done tightly in the centuries old stocking example, and medium tension but teeny tiny in the petals and leaves here. Imagine if one of the petals usually done here slightly floating above the fabric, was instead totally unattached.

That close connection is partly what started me wondering about the braid stitch being connected to nalbinding in the first place. I wonder who thought “hey, lets stitch it right onto the fabric, instead of making braid normally and then stitching that down onto the fabric!”

Well, I doubt any of this is helpful, but I thought some of you might be entertained to see where my thoughts wandered while looking at the photos of the lovely stitch testing here.

love,
Lily

]]> By: Margaret Henderson http://www.plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/2008/07/03/the-plaited-braid/comment-page-1/#comment-1790 Margaret Henderson Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:43:40 +0000 http://www.plimoth.org/embroidery-blog/2008/07/03/the-plaited-braid/#comment-1790 Congratulations to Tricia and everyone working on the project for the new article in 'Plimoth Life'. The close up of the cap Tricia stitched is an inspiration, and now I need more colours of the Gilt Sylke Twist! The other articles are good as well, especially learning about all the other crafts at the plantation. Congratulations to Tricia and everyone working on the project for the new article in ‘Plimoth Life’. The close up of the cap Tricia stitched is an inspiration, and now I need more colours of the Gilt Sylke Twist!
The other articles are good as well, especially learning about all the other crafts at the plantation.

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